1956 – Watts

01/56

  • Enthusiastic Response To “Funds Matching” Program, George Kan, 1.
  • HP Factory Organization, Noel Porter, 1.
  • Income Tax Notes, Ed van Bronkhorst, 1.
  • From Our President’s Desk – Birth of Dynac, Inc., Dave Packard, 1.
  • HP Employees’ Scholarship Fund, Ed van Bronkhorst, Page 1.
  • Yewell Associates’ Open House – One of the Most
    Successful Of All Time, Cort Van Rensselaer. 3.
  • Our Reps Are Selling, Noel Eldred, 3.
  • Once Again, Quality First!, Cal Larsen, 6.
  • Christmas Bonus Checks Hit $324,000, Jim Hobson, 7.
  • Xmas Plan Gives Hope For Child of War-Torn
    Europe, Machine Shop, 9.
  • The Company’s Most Valuable Asset, 12.
  • Definitions, 12.
  • Hewlett-Packard Broadens its “Scope” of Operations, Duane Marshall, 14.
  • Service Visitors, Carl Mahurin, 19.
  • Your HP Shipping Department, Hank Meadows, 2.

02/56

  • Cort van Rensselaer in Washington – Signal Honor
    For Cort and Hewlett-Packard, 1.
  • From Our President’s Desk – Anent HP’s Management Training Program, 1.
  • Robert Rawlins Of Dynac, George Climo, 3.
  • Business and Defense Services Administration, 4.
  • Campus I.R.E. Meeting, George Kan, 5.
  • Around The World With George Kan, HP Products
    Highly Regarded All Over the World, Stu Churchon, Page 10.
  • What’s A Production Engineer, Edna MacLean, 11.
  • Night Life That Pays Thru HP Instructors, Hal Hiner, 13.
  • Service Visitors, Carl Mahurin, 16.

03/56

  • From Our President’s desk – Dynac Stock Permit Issued, 1.
  • I.R.E. Hi-Fi Report, Marvin Willrodt, 3.
  • Giant Air Compressor Now In Use, Ralph Lee, 6.
  • Astronomy And Its Contributions To Your Everyday
    Living, Wes Simpson, 8.
  • Service Visitors, Carl Mahurin, 12.

04/56

  • Engineers – One of Our Vital Assets, Noel E. Porter, 2.
  • Our Reps Are Selling, Noel Eldred, 3.
  • The Palo Alto Engineering Company Story, Noel Eldred, 5.
  • What’s A Production Engineer, Edna MacLean, 7.
  • Unusual HP Woman – Gals Invade Lathe Section, Al Sperry, 9.
  • Service Visitors, Bob Aiken, 12.
  • Dave Packard and Rube Ryerson Explain Details of
    HP’s New Instruments to Prospective Customers, 15.
  • Bonus Boosters – Fifteen Horsepower Asset, Al Sperry, 18.

05/56

  • HP Scholarship Program Stepped Up, Frank Cavier, 1.
  • From Our President’s Desk, Good Show Reports, 1.
  • Our Reps Are Selling – Broken Records Galore, Noel Eldred, 3.
  • Training For The Assembly Areas – Indoctrination Course, Stan Selby, 5.
  • Dynac In Gear – First Instrument Shipped, Jim Hobson, 6.
  • HP’s Chemical Lab – New Basement Installation, Al Sperry, 7.
  • Safety Is The Thing, Pete Vogt, 7.
  • Harold Elliott – HP Consulting Engineer, One Of HP’s Top Assets, 8.
  • Neophyte Rep’s Seminar – Orientation Session Just Completed, Carl Mahurin, 10.
  • Service Visitors – From Here and There, Carl Mahurin, 12.
  • Piped Entertainment – HP Now Subscribes To Muzak Service, 15.

06/56

  • Our Reps Are Selling, Noel Eldred, 3.
  • Four HP Scholarships Granted – Two Awards For HP-ites, Frank Cavier, 6.
  • Press of Executive Duties Force Packard’s Retirement From School Board, Dr. Henry Gunn, Superintendent of Palo Alto School, 7.
  • Breaking Ground for HP’s New Buildings, 8.
  • HP Incentive Bonus System and How It Works, Dick Stone, 10.
  • Service Visitors – Popular Program, Carl Mahurin, 18.

07/56

  • Packard’s Picnic Address – Dave Expresses
    Appreciation For Continuance of HP Spirit, 2.
  • Our Reps Are Selling!, Noel Eldred, 3.
  • Bonus Booster – A Fifty-Ton Brake, Stu Churchon, 8.
  • Service Visitors, Carl Mahurin, 19.

08/56

  • From Our President’s Desk, 1.
  • David Packard’s Address To Reps Sales Seminar – July, 1956, 3.
  • Excerpts From Bill Hewlett’s Talk On The Hewlett-
    Packard Research and Development Program, 6.
  • Sales Manager Eldred’s Welcoming Speech To Seminar’ites, 7.
  • Noel Porter’s Talk On The Hewlett-Packard Production Program, 9.
  • Cort Van Rensselaer Concludes Washington Tour Of Duty, Dean Abramson, 13.
  • From Porter’s Corner, 15.
  • The Inverted Circle – Dynac Loaded With Engineers, Oxidized Agate, 23.

09/56

  • Retirement Plan Revision, John Beyers, 1.
  • From Our President’s Desk – Production Pressure Still Ahead, 1.
  • Our Reps Are Selling – Here We Grow, Noel Eldred, 3.
  • Noel Eldred Honored As WESCON Pioneer, 5.
  • 1956 WESCON, Duane Marshall, 7.
  • From Porter’s Corner – All-time Payroll High, 10.
  • Hew-Pack Designer Reports On Recent M.I.T. Creative Engineering Course, Carl Clement, 12.
  • New Group Eligible To Join Retirement Plan, 17.

10/56

  • From Our President’s Desk, 1.
  • Our Reps Are Selling, Noel Eldred, 3.
  • ’56 WESCON Great Success – 30,000 Engineers In Attendance, 3.
  • From Porter’s Corner, 4.
  • Current HP Instruments, Dick Reynolds, 5.
  • Service Visitors, Carl Mahurin, 6.

11/56

  •  From Our President’s Desk, Dave Packard, 1.
  • Twenty-Six Old Timers Now On New Retirement Plan, John Beyers, 1.
  • Production Management News – New Plant Set-up,
    First Unit on Stanford Hill, Porter, 6.
  • Brunton Bauer, HP Chief Engineer, HP Lab,
    Dick Reynolds, 10.
  • Our Future Bonus Boosters Get Into Action,
    Good Investments, Harold Poole, 18.

12/56

  • Christmas Greetings from Our Presidents Desk, Page 1.
  • Our Reps Are Selling – New Courses Given, 3.
  • The Inverted Circle – Problems In Outer Space, George Climo, 5.
  • Plant Management News – Extra Effort Paying Off, Porter, 6.

1956 – HP Journal Index

January 1956 v.7 n.5

New TWT Amplifiers with Provision for Simulating Special Microwave Signals, by Geo. W.C. Mathers, Peter D. Lacy. 492A, 494A.

February 1956 v.7 n.6

Three New -hp- Audio Oscillators, by Brunton Bauer. 201C, 200J, 202C.

The -hp- Balanced R-C Oscillator Circuit, by B. M. Oliver. 200J, 202C.

March 1956 v.7 n.7

A New DC-300 KC High-Sensitivity Oscilloscope with Triggered Sweep, by Dick Reynolds, Duane Dunwoodie. 130A.

April 1956 v.7 n.8

A New DC-10 MC Oscilloscope with Dual-Trace and High-Gain Preamplifiers, by Robert A. Grimm, Norman B. Schrock. 150A, 151A, 152A.

Penholder Style Probes

 

Oscilloscope Project Leader (Norman B. Schrock)

May/June 1956 v.7 n.9-10

A New 10-15.5 KMC 10 MW Signal Generator, by Wm. D. Myers. 626A.

A Simple 0-500 Volt Metered Power Supply, by Brunton Bauer. 711A.

Balanced Output from the -hp- Square Wave Generator

July/August 1956 v.7 n.11-12

A 0-1.1 MC Frequency Counter with Time Interval Markers, by Jeffrey B. Wolfington. 523B.

The -hp- Readout Systems. 523B.

Summary of –hp- Electronic Counters

 

September/October 1956 v.8 n.1-2

A Micrometric 12-40 KMC Waveguide Slotted Line with Interchangeable Sections and Untuned Probe, by J. K. Hunton. 814A, 815A, 446A, 805A, 809B.

November/December 1956 v.8 n.3-4

A New Adjustable Gate Time Counter from a New -hp- Affiliate. Dynac, Inc.

Flow Measurements

New Photo-Electric Tachometry Transducer

Dynac, Inc. – A New Service for Specialized Instrumentation. DY-2500.

Radar Signal Simulators

1956 – Packard Speeches

Box 1, Folder 1 – Stanford

 

April 24, 1956, Land Development Program, Stanford Club, Los Angeles

 

4/24/56 Typewritten speech, with notations, given at Stanford Club in Los Angeles.

 

As a preface to the main subject of Stanford’s land development program, Packard first describes some current projects, such as new dormitories. Regarding space for academic functions Packard says, “There has been great improvement in the housing for the academic functions. Some of the areas in the old quadrangle have been rehabilitated, new buildings have been added or plans are in progress for the electrical engineering department, for the physics department; a new building for chemistry, a new building for the mineral sciences, just to name a few. Plans are now completed and work will soon begin on a beautiful facility for the music department, a memorial to Mrs. Dinkelspiel, and work is progressing on the plans for the Tressidor student center in the area around the Union. Work is progressing on plans for additional faculty housing, and last and certainly not least, we expect to let the contract this year to begin the Medical School facilities on the Stanford campus.”

Moving to the main topic Packard quotes Senator Stanford at the first meeting of the Board of Trustees on November 14, 1885: “The endowment of lands is made because they are in themselves of great value and their proper management will insure to the University an income much greater than would be realized were their value to be invested in any reliable interest bearing securities. Again, they can never be alienated and will therefore be an unfailing support to the institution which they are designed to benefit.” Packard says “(the Stanfords) expected these lands to yield an income to the university from some kind of agricultural operations. Packard points out that “much of the land is useful only for grazing and it has almost  continually been rented out for grazing purposes.”  He says, agricultural uses have provided the university a net income “in the neighborhood of about 10 to 15 thousand dollars per year.”

“These thousands of acres of rolling foothill land around the campus have been maintained relatively unspoiled by this limited agricultural usage. They have the land.  And so it is not strange when the Board of  Trustees embarked upon a land development program which would convert some of these beautiful lands into industrial tracts residential areas, which would place Veterans Hospitals and shopping centers upon part of them that the             local     residents accused Stanford of wantonly spoiling the land simply because the             Trustees hate land and love money”

Packard points out that “The compelling reason for the land development program is simply to make possible some of the things which I have described to you. It has to do with the vision held by the Board of Trustees and the President that Stanford is destined to maintain its leadership as a cornerstone for freedom in higher education. It is the belief that Stanford can and must set the pace in the fields of science and engineering — in the fields of medical education and medical research — to provide leadership in education, and perhaps above all to provide leadership in the great field of humanities and human relations where we are engaged in a life and death struggle with our Russian adversaries for the control of men’s minds.” So “bold and aggressive measures are called for” and “it seems obvious that certainly here is a great resource which should be made more useful to the university”

Packard describes some of the considerations before the Board of Trustees: “First, could we spare some of the land for commercial development or should it all be reserved for future campus and academic use? Second, is it possible to develop land which cannot be sold, and how do you do it? Third, if the land can be spared and if a practical plan for development is possible, is this the proper time to go ahead with the development?”

Packard says the Board approached the question of how much land could be spared for commercial development “with great caution because it has been the experience of nearly every university which has sold or otherwise committed some of its land to commercial development that it has found itself severely limited for academic expansion some years later” Based “largely on the recommendation of the Presidents office and the faculty advisers…the Board of Trustees have set aside 3800 of the 8800 acres as a campus reserve untouchable in the land development program.”

Packard goes on to the second question about how it might be possible to develop lands that cannot be alienated. Having little experience in this area “they ventured upon some limited programs to explore the possibilities. They found it would be possible, for example, to develop a shopping center on leased land, and after rather lengthy negotiations they were able to conclude the first industrial lease with Varian Associates on land to the south of the campus….it seems clear now that the university will be able to obtain as much or sometimes even more for a 99-year lease than other people can obtain from the outright sale of comparable land. Also, some exploratory development of the residential areas have gone ahead. these also demonstrate clearly that land for residential use can be developed on a 99-year lease, and it too will be worth as much to the university as though it were sold outright. It seems, then, that the second question has been clearly answered. These lands can be developed without violating the restrictions of the founding grant.”

Regarding considerations of timing for a land program Packard says, “Here, studies of population trends, real estate values, and I might add much soul searching by the Trustees, have lead to the conclusion that this is a good time to move.

Regarding implementation of the program Packard says “There are three separate areas in the Land Development Program and each of them requires a different treatment. the area bounded by the campus on one side and Menlo Park on the other side along El Camino is being developed into a Shopping and Professional area.”  “The area bounded by the campus on one side and Barron Park on the other side, that is the area on the opposite side of the campus from the Shopping Center, is being developed for industrial use.” “The rest of the land, that back toward the hills both behind Menlo and in the direction of Los Altos, is to be developed for residential use. We have already demonstrated to our satisfaction that the residential area can be developed on a 99-year lease basis. A great amount of work is going into this part of the development because we are anxious that the residential development be in keeping with the spirit of the University. “And so we are undertaking this land development program primarily because it is an important supporting element for Stanford’s march to leadership. But, in closing I would like to make it clear to you, and especially to you who have been so generous in your help with our fund-raising activities, that the land development program will in no way eliminate the need for additional finds for current use. At the present time we receive only about two million dollars from our total endowment income against a current budget of twelve million dollars. And so even though this land development program will provide a substantial increment to the endowment income, the potential yield from this program is nowhere near as great as the potential yield from our fund-raising program, and we hope that while the Trustees are actively going ahead with the land development program and all of the other work that is being done to build a great University that we can continue to count on The loyal support of the Stanford Club of Los Angeles to keep Stanford on the march.”

 

4/24/56, Typewritten copy of above speech. Appears to be an earlier draft.

 

2/15/56 – 4/26/56 Letters between Alfred B. Post, Chairman of Program Committee , Stanford Club of Los Angeles, about scheduling Packard talk to the club on the subject of land development at Stanford.

2/21/56 Memorandum to Mr. Packard, Dr. Sterling, and Mr. Brandin from Richard F. O’Brien, Stanford Associates, confirming topics and time schedule agreed upon for the dinner Friday evening, February 24. He says the topic is to be broken down something like this:

1. Mr. Packard – “Why we are doing it” – a historical description of the problems faced by the University and why (the trustees) made the decision to go ahead at this time.

2. Mr. Brandin. “What we are doing” – what is going on at the shopping center, light industrial, and residential.
Box 1, Folder 35D – HP Management

April, 1956, A typewritten text titled: HP Philosophy. This discusses, organization (three divisions), instrument development policy, company growth, sales philosophy, and government contract policy. Packard mentions the “some 800 people in the plant.”

1956 – Hewlett Speeches

Box 1, Folder 11 – General Speeches

 

March 6, 1956 – “What’s wrong with the IRE and What You Can Do About It”

 

3/6/56, Copy of typewritten text of Hewlett’s speech

 

Addressing his audience of senior engineering students Hewlett says he was “somewhat coerced into selecting a title, and in desperation I chose a title under which I could say most anything. Actually, I’ll be fair, I’ll discuss the subject ‘What’s wrong with the IRE’ – it’s very simple, many of you are not members. What can you do about it – join!”

 

Having said that much, Hewlett says what he really wants to talk about is “you- your prospects and…incidentally, the extent to which the IRE may help you in the next few years, the years that are probably some of the most formative in your life.” He talks about the growing job opportunities in research and development, although reminding them they will start at the “bottom rung of the engineering ladder.”

 

And he adds that “you are entering probably the most productive ten years of your life. And I intend to prove this.” He gives some specific examples:

 

Marconi – age 21 when he first established the principle of radio transmission.

Newton – 23 when he proposed his three basic laws.

Maxwell – 15 when he read his first paper before the Royal Society in Edinburgh, and was only 26 when he presented his paper on lines of force which was really the basis of his theory of electricity and magnetism.

Madam Curie – only 31

Edison – only 30 when he developed the incandescent light and the carbon microphone.

 

And to be fair, he cites Laplace who he says was about 79 when he finished his treatise on celestial mechanics.

 

Hewlett refers to a book titled ‘Age and Achievement,’ by Lehman, who said that ‘for each field of endeavor there is an age at which you arrive at the maximum rate of highly superior production.’ Hewlett gives examples from this book: “In the field of chemistry this maximum rate is in the age group of 26 to 30. In our own field of electronics, and incidentally of physics and mathematics, the age group is 30 to 34. So you see,” he says, “that you are entering one of your most productive age brackets”

 

This all leads to Hewlett’s punch line: “Now I don’t want this to sound like a graduation address, or even like a sermon, but I think it is important for what I propose to say now and this is – how the IRE, or any other technical society, can be of assistance to you in developing you to your greatest potentiality.”

 

Hewlett says he has a “soft spot” in his heart for the IRE. And he goes on to tell how, in about the year 1938, he attended his first IRE convention where he was scheduled to speak, although he had never spoken in public before. He says “I put something I had made into my car, something I was supposed to talk about, and drove up [to Portland]. When I got up before the microphone I was so nervous that I could hardly speak. But I got up there and I talked about this project which, interestingly enough, was a new type of oscillator. It was an RC oscillator, and since that time we have built something over 60,000 of these oscillators. So here’s an example of the facility that the IRE furnished a young man just starting out. What better chance could you offer. Here was a chance for him to really sell his wares, his ideas. This, however, is just one example of how a professional society can help the engineer who is just starting out.”

 

Hewlett goes on to tell of other ways in which the IRE society can be of assistance, an important one being technical publications. Here at college you have, for the most part, been following “a prescribed course,” he says. “From now on you must strike forward, and it is really here that the professional society and its publications are of major importance. It would be a catastrophe if your education and learning were to stop upon graduation. If you are to be successful you must continue to learn, and it is through the publications of a technical society that you have one of the best opportunities to do this.”

 

Hewlett adds other ways IRE membership may help with career advancement: Professional Group specialized “Proceedings” which offer specialized tutoring, and seminars at field meetings and conventions.

 

“There is one additional phase of a professional society that I would like to mention,” he says, “and that is taking an active part in the committees and panels of the society. Now I’m perfectly willing to admit that this doesn’t sound like a very fascinating occupation and, true enough, there are many of these committees that would not interest you, many of them don’t interest me, but I think that if you investigate, for each one of you there is some particular phase of a professional society where you can make a contribution.”

 

Hewlett returns to his original question – “What’s Wrong with the IRE?”  And he provides some answers: “Well, the principle thing that’s wrong with the IRE is the fact that it’s had to increase seven fold in the past fifteen years. Before the war it was an organization of about 6,000 people, now it’s well over 40,000. In addition to this, it’s undergone a major subdivision program for professional groups that would have wrecked, I think, a less vigorous society. There’s nothing wrong with the IRE that a little understanding, that a little imagination and a lot of hard work isn’t going to help. And these are just the things that a youthful membership can give the organization. They are the same vitality and energy that you will bring to a professional organization that you join….The professional society can certainly be no stronger than the outlook of the majority of the members who form it. What’s wrong with the IRE – we need your membership, and we don’t just need the $10.00, because that $10 will just barely pay for the cost of publications. What we do need is your interest and your activity and your support, both in its publications, in its meetings and in its professional panels and committees. What does all this gain you – by building a strong, young and vigorous institute you guarantee yourself that there will be an adequate professional society to guide you in your professional development during the next five or ten years, the most critical and the most productive years of your life.”

 

3/6/56, Outline of speech handwritten by Hewlett on 3×5” cards and on notebook paper

3/6/56, several typewritten pages of drafted sections of the speech

3/6/56, Typewritten sheet with what appears to be a short introduction of Hewlett by John O’Halloran, Chairman of the IRE Student relations Committee

12/8/55, Letter to Hewlett from John F. O’Halloran, confirming their previous conversation about the IRE meeting and a possible topic for Hewlett’s talk to the students

1/17/56, Copy of a letter from Mickie Ayres, Hewlett’s secretary, to John O’Halloran enclosing a biographical sketch and photograph

1/27/56, Copy of a letter from Mickie Ayres to Joseph Sodaro saying Mr. Hewlett does not yet have his talk sufficiently prepared to send an abstract

3/2/56, Note from John O’Halloran enclosing minutes from January 27 meeting of the IRE student relations committee

3/7/56, Letter to Hewlett from Alois W. Graf saying he missed Hewlett’s speech on what is wrong with the IRE and asking for a copy so he would know more about this subject

4//3/56, Copy of a letter from Hewlett to Alois Graf saying the title, What’s Wrong With the IRE,” was actually a “gag” and the talk was actually intended to be inspirational for the students

4/10/56, Letter to Hewlett from John O’Halloran expressing appreciation for his talk and enclosing a copy typed from a tape

4/17/56, Copy of a letter from Hewlett to John O’Halloran thanking him for the copy and asking if he could send more so they could answer requests

4/30/56, Letter to Mickie Ayres from John O’Halloran sending more copies of the talk

3/12/56, Letter from A. N. Curtiss asking for a copy of his talk

4/3/56, Copy of a letter from Hewlett to A. N. Curtiss saying no typed copies were made of this talk and offering to have the transcript typed

4/10/56, Letter from A. N. Curtiss saying he would appreciate a copy if it becomes available

5/3/56, Copy of a letter to A. N. Curtiss from Mickie Ayres sending  a typed copy of the talk

5/10/56, Letter to Hewlett from A. N. Curtiss thanking him for the copy of his talk

 

 

Box 1, Folder 12 – General Speeches

 

August, 1956 – Talk on HP’s Engineering Program, Palo Alto, CA

 

8/56, Copy of pages from the August, 1956 issue of Watt’s Current magazine

 

The magazine appears to have printed a transcript of Hewlett’s talk to HP engineering personnel.

 

Hewlett says he wants to talk about “…the importance of an effective research and development program to our company and about the plans we have made and the steps we are taking to augment our engineering activities.

 

“Importance of the HP engineering program”

 

He says “from the very beginning,” they wanted to develop a reputation for quality, in their engineering and in the quality of their products. Having once built such a reputation they “had a bear by the tail,” as he put it. “We had the reputation, and we didn’t want to lose it.”

 

Hewlett says HP’s engineering force remained fairly stable for several years, when they were making a limited variety of instruments. They were able to satisfy their modest needs for new engineering people through their contacts with professors and others they knew throughout the country.

 

“Today, however,” he says, “the need for expanding our engineering force has increased.” With sales running 20 to 30 million dollars a year, Hewlett says, “Our customers have come to expect forward engineering ideas in hp equipment. If we don’t produce equipment embodying these forward ideas, someone else will and, quite frankly, we intend to discourage competition – not through price wars and restrictive trade practices but by doing such a damn fine job of engineering there will be little opportunity for anyone else.”

 

“Expansion of the hp Engineering Program.”

 

Hewlett says there are three factors forcing an expansion of the laboratory group:

 

“First, there are ideas from our customers and our sales representatives as to the various things we can and should manufacture.” He sites the Dynac Variable Time-Base Counter as an example of a general purpose test product they probably never would have thought of building had it not been for receiving a “number of requests from the field.”

 

“Secondly, our own laboratory staff, as they have become more versed in the field of electronic measurements, …have generated ideas for the extension and improvement of our product lines.”

 

And Hewlett says the third factor has been the impact of new techniques and methods. “It is absolutely imperative that we work on new techniques and methods to keep our position in the field.” He gives the transistor as an example.

 

“Recruiting of Engineering Personnel”

 

Hewlett describes their first effort to launch a college recruiting program which took place this year. They thought candidates would sign up ”in droves,” and were much surprised that only a couple of students showed up. But following this “eye-opening” he says they came home and put together good material about HP and its engineering activities. They visited universities across the country and the results were dramatic: “…we made about 40 offers,” he says, “ and got about 20 people…. We intend to continue this engineering recruiting program and I think the experience we have gained will allow us to do an even better job next year.”

 

Another step Hewlett says they have taken to “back up their engineering program is to expand our summer help program. We employ a large number of college students during the summer and, in general, we have been giving preference to the students who will probably go into engineering.”

 

The employment of high-school students during the summer is another program Hewlett describes. He says it is not simply a way to help them earn money over the summer, but they try to put the “boys” to work on actual projects doing something useful to HP. He sees this program as a general effort to encourage more young people to become interested in a science career – not limited to electronic engineering.

 

Hewlett closes by saying that the important point of these programs to increase their engineering staff is that “…we recognize the significance of engineering in our product line and that we are going to put on the best engineering program you have ever seen. If you think we have done well so far, just wait until two or three years from now when we get all of our new lab people producing and all of the supervisors rolling. You’ll see some real progress then!”